By Greg Price
I. Introduction
The church of Jesus Christ is greatly divided over the use of alcoholic beverages. To illustrate the great gulf that exists between churches professing to be orthodox, let me put the following five scenarios before you, and you will quickly see the kinds of practical problems with which the local church must deal.
A. You go out to eat at a local restaurant, and you happen to see one of the fellow members of your congregation sipping from a glass of wine. What should you think, say or do?
B. You are shopping at your local grocery store, and as you get into line to pay for your groceries, there you see one of the elders of your church reach into his pocket to pay for a six-pack of beer. What should you think, say or do?
C. Suppose you are sipping from a glass of wine at your favorite restaurant when you are approached by a fellow member who says, "I am offended to see you drink that wine." What should you think, say or do?
D. Visitors come to your church for several weeks, but observe that wine is used as an element in the Lord's Supper. On that issue alone, they determine they cannot become members of your church. What should you think, say or do?
E. A new convert is baptized and becomes a member of your church. While an unbeliever, he continuously abused drugs and alcohol. Upon becoming a Christian, he vowed to God that he would never use drugs or alcoholic beverages again. The church of which he is now a member uses wine as an element in the Lord's Supper. What should the elders think, say or do?
We'll come back to these situations after we have considered certain principles from God's Word that relate to this issue of alcoholic beverages.
II. Ethics
A. Where do you learn what to think, say or do in any and every situation?
1. From the Scripture alone.
a. "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
b. " For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds, casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ" (2 Cor. 10:4-5).
c. "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding; in all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths" (Prov. 3:5-6).
d. "He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered" (Prov. 28:26).
e. "Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight" (Is. 5:21).
f. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts" Is. 55:8-9).
g. "I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts" (Is. 65:2).
h. "The supreme Judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the scripture" (The Westminster Confession of Faith, 1:10).
i. How many supreme standards of judgment are there in the world? Only one--the holy Scriptures. Jesus Christ is Lord over every area of life. It's not what I believe or you believe that determines what you should think, say or do in a particular situation. It's not what you "feel" like you ought to do, nor is it even how you "feel" the Lord is leading you that is to determine your actions. It is "what saith the Scriptures" that is always to determine your convictions or actions in any matter.
B. What about my conscience? Isn't it a standard for me to follow in matters like the use of alcoholic beverages?
1. The conscience is a moral judge that either condemns or excuses your actions (Rom. 2:15).
2. However, since the fall of Adam, the conscience of man is not a reliable standard by which to determine truth. The conscience condemns or excuses a man's actions based upon the ethical standard it is given. If the conscience is making judgments based upon the Word of God, it is reliable. If the conscience is making judgments based upon one's feelings, one's culture, one's environment, one's church background, or on any so-called expert, than the conscience is not reliable. The conscience is not autonomous or independent. It is dependent upon some ethical standard. The only question is: Whose ethical standard? Yours or God's? The teachings of men or the Word of God? Your conscience must be submitted to the teaching of God's Word.
3. In fact, the Scripture actually teaches you to distrust your own understanding, your own thoughts, and your own ways: "Be not wise in thine own eyes" (Prov. 3:7); "He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool" (Prov. 28:26); "Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee" (Is. 47:10); "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord" (Is. 55:8). Rather than trusting in your own thoughts and your own ways, God calls you to "trust in the Lord with all thine heart" (Prov. 3:5) for in Christ "are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" (Col. 2:3).
III. The Different Positions On The Use Of Alcoholic Beverages
A. Prohibitionist
1. The Scripture absolutely prohibits alcoholic beverages to all Christians.
B. Abstentionist
1. Alcoholic beverages are not expressly forbidden in Scripture, yet it is wise for all Christians to refrain from using them.
C. Moderationist
1. The Scripture commends the use of alcoholic beverages to all Christians if used moderately.
IV. Biblical Teaching On The Use Of Alcoholic Beverages
A. All three of the above positions firmly agree on this one point: Drunkenness is a serious sin against the express command of God ("Do not be drunk with wine" Eph. 5:18).
B. The Prohibitionist Position is contrary to the teaching of Scripture.
1. Old Testament words for alcoholic beverages
a. Yayin (wine)
(1) The same wine (yayin) that intoxicated Noah (Gen. 9:21), Lot (Gen. 19:32-35), Nabal (1 Sam. 25:36-37), and others (Is. 28:1,7) was given as a gift to others by godly men. For example, Melchizedek, a type of Christ and the priest of the Most High God, gave yayin to Abraham (Gen. 14:18; Heb. 7:3).
(2) Yayin is commanded by God to be brought to Him as an offering in worship (Ex. 29:38,40; Lev. 23:13; Num. 15:5,7,10).
(3) Yayin is a gracious blessing from God to be enjoyed by His people (Deut. 14:26; Ps. 104:14-15; Eccl. 9:7; Is. 55:1; Amos 9:13-15).
(4) Yayin in plenty is a sign of God's blessing, while the lack of it is a sign of God's cursing (Deut. 28:39).
(5) Yayin is one of the delicacies that Divine Wisdom prepares for all who seek her (Prov. 9:1-5).
b. Tirosh (new wine)
(1) The same tirosh (new wine) that could enslave the heart when abused (Hos. 4:11) is a blessing from God (Gen. 27:28,37; Deut. 7:13; Prov. 3:10).
(2) The removal of tirosh is a sign of God's curse (Deut. 28:51).
c. 'asis (sweet wine)
(1) The same'asis (sweet wine) that intoxicates when abused (Is. 49:26; Joel 1:5) is also used as a sign of the Messianic blessings to come for God's people (Joel 3:18; Amos 9:13).
d. Shekar (strong drink, from the root shakar, to be drunk or intoxicated)
(1) The same shekar (strong drink) that makes drunk (Prov. 20:1; Is. 5:11) is yet commanded to be offered as a drink offering to the Lord in worship (Num. 28:7), and is to be joyfully consumed as a part of the "rejoicing tithe" unto the Lord (Deut. 14:26).
e. Hamer (wine in the Chaldean language, from hamar which means to ferment)
(1) The same hamer abused by Belshazzar (Dan. 5:1-4) is a blessing God gives to His people (Deut. 32:14). In Deuteronomy 32:14 hamer (fermented wine) parallels the phrase "the blood of the grapes" and yet it is this same hamer that has the capacity to intoxicate in Daniel 5:1-4.
f. Sobe (translated as wine, liquor, and drunken)
(1) This word only occurs three times in the Old Testament (Is. 1:22; Hos. 4:18; Nahum 1:10).
(2) God condemns Jerusalem because "the faithful city has become a harlot" (Is. 1:21) and because "your silver has become dross, your wine mixed with water" (Is. 1:22). The point being that all that was good in Jerusalem had become corrupted. Just as good silver is corrupted by dross, so good wine (sobe) is corrupted (not helped) by water. Thus, from this text it appears that the argument used by many today that the wine used in biblical times was diluted with water to such an extent as to render the alocoholic content of no effect is contradicted by Isaiah 1:22. For God says that the diluting of wine with water is a symbol of corrupting or adulterating that which is good.
g. Mesek (wine mixed with spices)
(1) The same mesek that produces an intoxicating drink (Is. 5:22) is used for one part of the banquet which Divine Wisdom prepares for those who seek her (Prov. 9:2,5).
(2) Mesek describes the mingling of spices with wine (yayin) as in Proverbs 9:2,5 or the mingling of spices with strong drink (shekar) as in Isaiah 5:22.
h. Mishrah (the juice of grapes)
(1) There is a word in the Hebrew language that means "grape juice." The only time it is used in the Old Testament is in Numbers 6:3 where the Nazarite is not only forbidden from drinking yayin (wine) and shekar (strong drink), but is also prohibited from drinking mishrah (grape juice).
(2) Those who would argue from silence that there was an unfermented yayin (wine) used in the Old Testament must produce an example to demonstrate that such is the case. Simply to make an assertion is no argument. Otherwise, I can equally assert that such was not the case and my argument must stand.
(3) In interpreting the meaning of the various words used for alcoholic beverages in the Old Testament, one should assume these words refer to fermented beverages wherever they appear (since there are clear biblical references to establish the fact that they could intoxicate when abused) unless the context clearly states otherwise and cannot be understood using the stndard meaning of the word found elsewhere in Scripture. In other words, God must define these words--we must not impose our own definition upon them (i.e. Scripture must interpret Scripture).
(4) Finally, since God does use a word in the Old Testament that unambiguously means grape juice (mishrah), why is it used only once? Why is mishrah (grape juice) not used instead of yayin (wine) throughout the Old Testament if it was essentially grape juice that was being used as a common beverage. To the contrary, God demonstrates that yayin (wine) and mishrah (grape juice) are two different types of beverages by using two different words in Numbers 6:3--one being alcoholic (yayin), the other being nonalcoholic (mishrah). Thus, wine (yayin) must be understood throughout the Old Testament to be a fermented beverage unless God speaking in Scripture specifically alters the meaning.
i. The only circumstances under which alcoholic beverages were prohibited in the Old Testament were the following:
(1) While priests ministered in the Tabernacle before the Lord they were to be careful that their judgment was not impaired so as not to incur the wrath of God as did Nadab and Abihu (Lev. 10:9).
(2) When kings sat in courts to rule as judges they were not to use anything that might dull their judgment in the use of God's law (Prov. 31:4,5).
(3) When one took a Nazarite vow he was to refrain from what was lawfully enjoyed by others (e.g. wine, strong drink, vinegar, grape juice, grapes, or raisins) in order to demonstrate that he was consecrated to God (Num. 6:2-6). Those today who would use the Nazarite vow as a warrant to prohibit all alcoholic beverages must not stop with wine and strong drink, but must as well vow to refrain from consuming grape vinegar, grape juice, grapes or raisins (Num. 6:3). Moreover, they must not cut their hair (Num. 6:5), nor attend a funeral (Num. 6:6-7), not even the funeral of a close relative. Finally, when the days of the vow are completed (note here that this vow was not normally a lifelong separation from the things mentioned above), they must bring the following offerings to the door of the tabernacle (Num. 6:13-20): a male lamb, a female lamb, a ram, unleavened bread, drink offerings, and their hair. In other words, to resurrect the Nazarite vow is to resurrect the ceremonial shadows of the Old Testament law (Col. 2:17; Heb. 10:1). But again, note that when the vow was completed (Num. 6:20), it was not a sin to drink the same wine (yayin ) that one was forbidden to drink while under the Nazarite vow (Num.6:3). Thus, it is clear that the use of alcoholic beverages was not normally unlawful to God's people.
(4) The case of the Rechabites (Jer. 35:1-19) was a prophetic picture (like that of Hosea marrying a harlot) in which the Rechabite's refusal to drink wine, to build houses, to sow seed, and to plant vineyards indicated their willingness to obey the command of their father Jonadab (it was not God who prohibited these things to the Rechabites nor to any one else under normal circumstances) even though the command was strict. To the contrary, God's people, Judah, refused to obey God their Father. Furthermore, the Rechabite's vow not only involved abstaining from wine, but also other lawful activities such as building houses, sowing seed, and planting vineyards which likely indicated that a time of God's judgment was shortly to come in which the people of Judah would not drink wine, build houses, sow seed, nor plant vineyards in the land of Judah--they would be like the Rechabites. It is obvious that just as it was not unlawful for God's people to build houses, to sow seed in a field, or to plant vineyards, so it was not unlawful for God's people to drink wine. Those today who would follow the pattern of the Rechabites in vowing to refrain from alcoholic beverages must also refuse to sow seed, plant a vineyard and live in a house, and rather vow to dwell in tents for this was the total prophetic picture that was presented to Judah (the living in a house and planting a garden would have violated their vow as much as drinking wine, cf. Jer. 35:8-10). Moreover, the Rechabites did not condemn others for drinking wine (yayin), living in houses, or planting gardens, thus their example does not fit into the prohibitionist position where all use of alcoholic beverages is condemned by the prohibitionist.
(5) The abuse of alcoholic beverages in drunkenness is strictly forbidden (Prov. 23:20).
2. New Testament words for alcoholic beverages
a. Oinos (wine)
(1) Oinos is very obviously an alcoholic beverage for it is used in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament) to translate each of the Hebrew words that refer to an intoxicating drink (yayin, tirosh, 'asis, shekar, hamer, sobe). Though we saw that there is a Hebrew word for the juice of grapes (mishrah cf. Num. 6:3) used in the Old Testament, the Septuagint does not use oinos (wine) to translate that word which it should have done if oinos (wine) in the New Testament is simply grape juice.
(2) Oinos in the New Testament is an intoxicating beverage for the word for a "winebibber" (i.e. one who drinks wine to an excess) is oinopotes (Mt. 11:19; Lk. 7:34). In contrast to John the Baptist, the Lord was accused of being both a glutton and a winebibber (he was neither) because he ate bread and drank wine with sinners (Mt. 9:10; Mt. 11:18-19; Mk. 2:15-16; Lk. 5:29-30; Lk. 7:33-34; Lk. 15:1-2). The obvious contrast between John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus is that John, a Nazarite, lived in the wilderness and neither ate bread nor drank wine (he ate locusts and wild honey, cf. Mt. 3:4; Mk. 1:6), while Christ, a Nazarene (not a Nazarite, but a Nazarene i.e. one from Nazareth), both ate bread and drank wine. And yet the Jewish leaders found fault with both John and Christ. The Lord is simply pointing out to the Jewish leaders that their problem with John and with Him is not one of lifestyle (the lifestyles of John and Jesus were quite different), but rather their problem is with the message John and Jesus brought (the message of John and Jesus was the same). Jesus could hardly have been accused of being a winebibber had he totally abstained from alcoholic beverages as did John.
(3) The same oinos that makes one drunk (Eph. 5:18) was created by Jesus to be served at a wedding feast with full knowledge that it had the capacity to make one drunk (Jn. 2:1-11). After tasting the wine which the Lord had created, the master of the feast told the bridegroom that it was the custom to give the guests "the good wine" first "and when the guests have well drunk" (literally, "when they become drunk") then to give them the inferior wine. The Greek word for "drunk" (Jn. 2:10), methuo is used without exception in the New Testament to refer to one being intoxicated (Mt. 24:49; Acts 2:15; 1 Cor. 11:21; 1 Thess. 5:7; Rev. 17:2,6). The Greek word for "drunkard" (methusos , cf. 1 Cor. 5:11; 1 Cor. 6:10) is a form of methuo. One other form of methuo is found in the New Testament, methuskomai (Lk. 12:45; Eph. 5:18; 1 Thess. 5:7), and this word also refers without exception to one being intoxicated. Thus, it is clear that "the good wine" (oinos) which Christ created had the capacity to intoxicate. The master of the feast relates to the bridegroom that the inferior wine was normally saved to last after the guests had consumed "the good wine" and were drunk (by then they would not notice the inferior quality of the wine they were drinking), but in this case "the good wine" (the same oinos that could make one drunk) which Jesus had created was saved and served to the guests last. There is no getting around the fact that "the good wine" which Christ created was "the good wine" which made guests drunk at wedding feasts (Jn. 2:10). Obviously, Christ is not condoning drunkenness, but rather giving His tacit approval for the lawful use of alcoholic beverages even in social contexts.
(4) The same oinos that could intoxicate (Jn. 2:10; Eph. 5:18) was hailed for its medicinal value by an apostle of Jesus Christ (1 Tim. 5:23). This is not a mere suggestion from Paul to Timothy, but a command (literally, "Stop using water any longer, but continuously use a little wine on account of your stomach and your frequent weaknesses."). The inspired Word of the all wise God declares that wine in moderation is not detrimental to one's health, but to the contrary, beneficial to one's health ("Let God be true, but every man a liar" Rom. 3:4).
(5) The same oinos that had the capacity to inebriate (Jn. 2:10; Eph. 5:18) was not forbidden in moderate use to elders or deacons (1 Tim. 3:2,8) The prohibition in 1 Timothy 3:2 is against lingering a long time beside one's wine (paroinos) i.e. lingering because one's glass is repeatedly filled until drunkenness occurs. This is actually a prohibition against drinking much wine not against the moderate use of wine. This is made clear in 1 Timothy 3:8 where the prohibition is against drinking "much wine", not against drinking wine at all.
b. The fruit of the vine (Mt. 26:29; Mk. 14:25; Lk. 22:18)
(1) This phrase does not refer to grape juice any more than does the phrase "the blood of grapes" (in Gen. 49:11 "the blood of grapes" is parallel to yayin i.e. alcoholic wine, and in Deut. 32:14 "the blood of grapes" is parallel to hamer i.e. fermented wine).
(2) If taken quite literally, "the fruit of the vine" would refer to whole grapes, thus the phrase must be used figuratively in some sense.
(3) Dunlop Moore summarizes the distinct Jewish meaning of the phrase as follows:
The expression the "fruit of the vine" is employed by our Saviour in the synoptical Gospels to denote the element contained in the cup of the Holy Supper. The fruit of the vine is literally the grape. But the Jews from time immemorial have used this phrase to designate the wine partaken of on sacred occasions, as at the Passover and on the evening of the Sabbath. The Mishna (De. Bened, cap. 6, pars i) expressly states, that, in pronouncing blessings, "the fruit of the vine" is the consecrated expression for yayin.. . . . The Christian Fathers, as well as the Jewish rabbis, have understood "the fruit of the vine" to mean wine in the proper sense. Our Lord, in instituting the Supper after the Passover, availed himself of the expression invariably employed by his countrymen in speaking of the wine of the Passover. On other occasions, when employing the language of common life, he calls wine by its ordinary name (Cited in The Christian And Alcoholic Beverages by Kenneth L. Gentry, p.55).
(4) Furthermore, the drink offering that was poured out before the Lord at the Passover and on other occasions was wine not grape juice (Num. 28:24; cf. Num. 28:14 where the drink offering is specifically identified as wine, yayin ). It would certainly follow that the Lord used wine at the Passover celebration (and at the institution of the Lord's Supper) with His disciples in Matthew 26:29.
(5) Just as Isaiah can refer to "a vineyard of red wine" (hamer, fermented wine ) in Isaiah 27:2 because fermented wine is derived from the vineyard, in like manner Jesus can can refer to "the fruit of the vine" and yet mean the fermented wine that is derived from the fruit of the vine.
(6) Christ teaches that the "fruit of the vine" signifies "My blood of the new covenant" (Mt. 26:28). Though the phrase, "the blood of grapes" is not used in the Last Supper account, it is difficult to overlook the parallel between the "blood of grapes" and the "blood of the new covenant." Yet "the blood of grapes" is used synonomously for both yayin (alcoholic wine) in Genesis 49:11, and for hamer (fermented wine) in Deuteronomy 32:14.
(7) Melchizedek is a type of Christ (Heb. 7:3) while Abraham is the father of all who believe (Rom. 4:11). Even as Abraham tithed of his increase to Melchizedek, the king of righteousness (Heb. 7::2,4), so do the children of Abraham tithe of their increase to Christ, the King of righteousness (Heb. 7:9-10). Likewise, even as Melchizedek, the priest of God Most High, gave to Abraham bread and wine (yayin ) and then blessed Abraham (Gen. 14:18-19), so does Christ, the Great High Priest of the new covenant, give to the children of Abraham bread and wine at the Lord's Supper and bless them (Mt. 26:26-29).
(8) Finally, one must assume that intoxicating wine was being used to celebrate the Lord's Supper in the church of Corinth for believers were combining the love feast with the Lord's Supper and some were partaking of the Lord's Supper in a drunken state as a result (cf. 1 Cor. 11:21 where the verb metheuo is used i.e. intoxicated). Although wine was clearly abused by the Corinthian believers in conjuction with the Lord's Supper, Paul does not condemn the Corinthian Chirsitans for using wine, nor does he prohibit the use of wine in the Lord's Supper. Paul's correction is directed toward their sinful abuse of wine not their lawful use of it. If wine was not lawfully to be used in the Lord's Supper, here was the ideal time for Paul to demonstrate where the use of wine would lead those who broke God's law by using it in the Lord's Supper. The silence concerning any prohibition of wine in the Lord's Supper at this point is deafening.
c. Sikera (strong drink)
(1) This is one of the intoxicating beverages that John the Baptist was prohibited from drinking (Lk. 1:15). The other intoxicating drink prohibited to John was oinos (wine).
d. Gleukos (new wine)
(1) Gleukos was certainly capable of intoxication for the disciples are accused of being filled with gleukos (new wine) in Acts 2:13. Whereas Peter attributes the behavior of the disciples not to drunkenness (metheuo), but to the Spirit of God (Acts 2:15).
e. Therefore, the words used for wine in the New Testament (oinos, sikera, gleukos) speak of beverages that have the capacity to intoxicate contrary to the view of some who would argue that wine in the New Testament was so diluted with water that it was almost impossible to intoxicate using it, or that the wine of the New Testament was essentially grape juice.
f. There was a Greek word available to the writers of the New Testament which might have been used to refer to grape juice (trux) had they wanted their readers to understand that the common beverage used by Christ, the disciples, Timothy, the elders and deacons, and the Corinthian believers was unfermented grape juice (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament And Other Early Christian Literature , by Bauer, Arndt, and Gingrich, p.564). The Holy Spirit of God chose not to use trux (grape juice) even one time in the New Testament. There is therefore no reference in the New Testament to unfermented grape juice, but all references are to fermented wine.
g. A summary of New Testament principles that argue against the Prohibitionist Position.
(1) The reasoning of many Prohibitionists is as follows:
(a) Scripture condemns drunkenness.
(b) Drinking alcoholic beverages can lead to drunkenness.
(c) Therefore, Scripture condemns the drinking of alcoholic beverages.
(2) However, following the same line of reasoning, Christians would also be forced to conclude the following:
(a) Scripture condemns gluttony.
(b) Eating food can lead to gluttony.
(c) Therefore, Scripture condemns all eating of food.
(3) Or the following:
(a) Scripture condemns murder.
(b) Owning a gun can lead to murder.
(c) Therefore, Scripture condemns the owning of all guns.
(4) Or the following:
(a) Scripture condemns the abuse of authority.
(b) Parents have abused their authority.
(c) Therefore, Scripture condemns all parental authority.
(5) It is not the lawful use of fermented wine that is condemned in Scripture. It is the unlawful abuse of fermented wine that is condemned in Scripture.
(6) It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles a man, but rather that which proceeds from an evil heart that defiles him (Mk. 7:15-23). Therefore, wine that enters the mouth is not evil, but rather the sinful abuse of it which proceeds from an evil heart.
(7) There is no material thing that is evil in and of itself, it is the abuse of it that is evil (Rom. 14:14). Therefore, wine is not intrinsically evil, rather it is the abuse of it that is sinful.
(8) Don't submit your conscience to man-made decrees that forbid touching, tasting, or handling in order to keep the flesh in check, for they are all futile (Col. 2:20-23). The only way to keep the flesh in check is by living in dependence upon the Spirit in applying the finished work of Christ to your life (Col. 2:1-15). Therefore, God alone is Lord of the conscience (in the matter of alcoholic beverages and and in any other matter) and He has left your conscience free from the commandments of men that are in any way contrary to His word.
(9) Don't give heed to doctrines of demons which teach that it is unlawful to marry or to eat certain foods which God has created, for every thing God has created is good and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer (1 Tim. 4:1-5). Therefore, since alcoholic beverages have been given by God to man (Ps. 104:14-15), they may be lawfully enjoyed by God's people if they are used with moderation and received with thanksgiving. Thus, to teach that it is sinful to use alcoholic beverages is to teach what Paul classifies as "doctrines of demons," for it is to teach that evil resides in what God has created, rather than in the evil hearts of men.
(10) The only prohibitions in the New Teatament against the use of alcoholic beverages were for those who had taken Nazarite vows (as in the case of John the Baptist in Lk. 1:15; Lk. 7:33), and for those who abused them by becoming intoxicated (Eph. 5:18).
3. Therefore, I submit to you that the Scripture does not provide warrant for the Prohibitionist Position, but on the contrary does provide warrant for the moderate use of alcoholic beverages.
C. The Abstentionist Position is also contrary to the teaching of Scripture.
1. The position summarized: Alcoholic beverages are not expressly forbidden in Scripture, yet it is wise that all Christians abstain from using them.
2. It is wise for reasons of expediency.
a. It is a poor witness to unbelievers, to weaker brethren, and to our children. As a matter of love (not legalistic requirement), all Christians should totally abstain (Mt. 7:12; Rom. 14:15-21; Rom. 15:1-2; 1 Cor. 8:13; 1 Cor. 10:31-33; 1 Tim. 3:7).
(1) A response to the argument that it is a poor witness.
(a) It is true that we should always seek to be a good witness before believers and unbelievers alike.
(b) But even that which constitutes a Christian witness must be judged by Scripture and not by our culture. If unbelievers judge that it is a poor witness for Christians to be so "intolerant" in their views of sexual promiscuity, should they change so as to have a better witness? Or if Christians are accused of being "narrow-minded" because of their pro-life views, should they be more concerned about what God says or what man says? If Scripture does not condemn a practice as a poor witness (but on the contrary approves of the practice), then neither should you disapprove of it. Does a Christian necessarily project a biblical Christian witness to the world by practicing total abstinence when there is no biblical warrant for doing so? No!
(c) The Lord and His disciples continued to use alcoholic beverages despite the fact that sinful men abused them to their own destruction at the time in which Jesus lived just as they do today (1 Cor. 5:11; 1 Cor. 6:10). In fact, Jesus Himself was falsely accused of abusing wine (Lk. 7:31-35) and yet He didn't discontinue His practice of drinking wine (what the Lord drank was wine for what John the Baptist did not drink was wine, cf. Lk. 7:33). He even created wine for consumption in a social context (Jn. 2:1-12). Certainly no Christian would think of accusing the infinitely wise Son of God of being unwise in that situation. However, if one believes Jesus should have abstained from all wine because He was falsely accused of being a winebibber, then likewise He should have abstained from all bread because He was also falsely accused of being a glutton.
(d) Who is the "weak" brother referred to by Paul (Rom. 14:15-21; Rom. 15:1b)? He is weak in his conscience i.e. his conscience condemns him for eating certain foods and drinking wine (perhaps because the food and wine had previously been dedicated to idols) although both the food and wine found Christ's approval (Rom. 14:14). The problem with this "weak" brother was that his conscience was controlled by standards other than the Word of God (whether by his culture, by his own feelings, or by the commandments of men). He had allowed something other than God and His Word to be the lord of his conscience (which indicates that he was an immature Christian). As a result of this weakness, he was condemning the "strong" brother who could partake of the food and wine without offending his conscience; and thus the "weak" brother was thereby seeking to impose his "weakness" upon the church (Rom. 14:3b-4).
(e) Who is the "strong" brother referred to by Paul (Rom. 14:2a; Rom. 15:1a)? He is strong in his conscience i.e. his conscience approves of him eating all foods and drinking the wine in question (Rom. 14:2a). The conscience of the "strong" brother is not controlled by anything except by God and His Word; and since Christ approves of the food and wine (Rom. 14:14), the "strong" brother is able to enjoy them to the glory of God (1 Cor. 10:31). This indicates that the "strong" brother is a mature Christian (Paul includes himself in the category of the "strong", rather than in the category of the "weak" cf. Rom. 14:14; Rom. 15:1a). As a result of his lawful liberty in this area, the "strong" brother was likely to flaunt his liberty before the "weak" brother, to despise and look down at him, and not to fully receive him into the fellowship of the church because of his weakness (Rom. 14:1a,3a).
(f) What were both the "weak" and the "strong" to do in regard to these issues?
/1/ One the one hand, each one was to be convinced in his own mind (i.e. not to act contrary to what you believe you are required to do at the time, Rom. 14:5b,22-23). On the other hand, the "weak" were not to stubbornly remain in a weak position. They were to diligently study the issue involved from the vantage point of God's Word and when persuaded that God approved of the practice in question, they were to submit their conscience to God's authoritative Word and change their conviction regardless of how they might still "feel" about the issue.
/2/ The "weak" brother must immediately stop condemning the "strong" brother and must discontinue his attempts to impose his "weakness" upon the church (Rom. 14:3b-4). The "weak" were to outgrow their "weakness" and become mature Christians by submitting their conscience to the Word of God alone . However, it may actually be the case that a "weak" brother does outgrow his "weakness" in believing a certain practice to be sinful (e.g. drinking alcoholic beverages) and in expecting others to refrain from the practice. In such a case he becomes a "strong" believer, but for other reasons (e.g. he doesn't care for the taste of alcoholic beverages, or he has an allergic reaction to them) he may legitimately refrain from using them in a social or private setting (in other words, the "strong" brother is not required to use alcoholic beverages privately or socially). It would hardly be an act of love for elders to leave a brother (for whom Christ died) in his weakness. To truly fulfil Matthew 7:12 (i.e. to love others as oneself) requires an elder to patiently work with a "weak" brother to overcome his "weakness." Although the apostle Paul temporarily acted as one who was "weak" in the presence of a "weak" brother , he only did so in order to win the "weak" to the position of the "strong" (1 Cor. 9:22). This practice of "weakness" was not intended to be permanent, but rather temporary. Paul would never have permitted the position of the "weak" to become the position endorsed by the church. Paul argued from the position of the "strong" in order to bring the "weak" out of his position of "weakness."
/3/ On the other hand, the "strong" brother must immediately cease from tempting the "weak" to sin by encouraging him to violate his conscience in partaking of food and wine which he yet believes to be sin. To consciously flaunt one's liberty before a "weak" brother is to set a stumblingblock before him. It is to play the role of Satan in tempting him to sin (Rom. 14:13,20). The strong brother must be willing to sacrifice the lawful use of his Christian liberty temporarily in the presence of the "weak" brother, so as to keep him from stumbling (Rom. 14:21). In fact in 1 Corinthians 8:13, Paul hyperbolically illustrates this point by declaring that if eating food offered to idols leads a "weak" brother to stumble (i.e. leads a "weak" brother to eat while he yet believes it to be sinful), Paul will forever refrain from eating meat in the presence of the "weak" brother (however, for Paul to eat the meat privately at home would not violate this statement because the weak brother would have no knowledge of Paul's eating the meat in the privacy of his own home). Those who are "strong" must remember that there are issues more important than food or drink, namely, love for the brethren and the growth of God's kingdom (Rom. 14:16-18).
/4/ Both the "weak" and the "strong" must above all else seek the profit of the other, seek to edify one another, and seek to demostrate the love of Christ to one another (Rom. 15:1-3).
(g) The argument that we must permanently refrain from all alcoholic beverages in order to be a good witness is unbiblical. It is not the lawful use of wine that is a bad testimony, but the unlawful use of it. Children will not be any more likely to abuse wine when it is lawfully used within a Christian family, than they would be to abuse a car when it is lawfully used within a Christian family. You should not refrain from the lawful use of any of God's good gifts simply because there is the possibility of abuse, rather you should carefully instruct your children in the legitimate use.
(h) Finally, the argument that we must permanently abstain from all alcoholic beverages in order to maintain a good testimony before men, will open the door to hundreds of legalistic standards imposed upon the Christian simply because of the possibility that someone might be offended. In the name of not offending people, you would have to give up pork, red meat, guns, beards, jewlry, etc. ad infinitum. This is a principle that cannot be carried out consistently, nor should it be, because it is unbiblical.
b. The abstentionist also argues, "For the sake of the "constitutional alcoholics" around us, all Christians should abstain from the use of alcoholic beverages. There are so many "recovering alcoholics" in the work place, in the church, in the neighborhood, and in the family. Even seeing you drink one beer could lead them back into their syndrome.
(1) A reponse to the "constitutional alcoholic" argument.
(a) It is true that certain people have different levels of tolerance to alcoholic beverages (just as it is true that there are differing degrees of tolerance for food among people).
(b) But the notion that a predispostion toward a particular kind of sinful abuse (whether beer, ******, food, violence, fashion or any thing else) should lead all Christians to abstain permanently from the lawful use of that object (whether to abstain from all alcoholic beverages, from all sexual relationships with one's wife, from all food, from all corporal discipline, or from all clothing) is not biblical. Again, you should never wittingly tempt one whom you know to be vulnerable in a particular area, but that is quite different from advocating the permanent cessation of a good gift from God in all circumstances.
(c) The Bible teaches that all men are predisposed to sin by nature and that all men are "constitutional sinners" (Ps. 51:5; Ps. 58:3; Rom. 5:19) and yet all men are responsible for their own sin. The fact that one habitually and sinfully abuses beer and is predisposed to abuse it, should not put him into some preferential class of treatment, for all men, women, and children are in the same condition (some of our sins are just more observable than others). The point that must be made if you are to truly help one who abuses alcoholic beverages is that his problem (like abuse in any other area) is a violation of God's holy Law. It is sin against the Most High God (in biblical terms he is a drunkard cf. 1 Cor. 5:11; 1 Cor. 6:10). His problem is not that he has developed an incurable disease (called alcoholism). His problem is that he has been convinced that he can never be completely cured ("once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic"). Thus, he is told, "Take even one sip of wine in the Lord's Supper and it might set the disease off again." The answer for the one who has abused alcoholic beverages is the same answer for all sinners: All sinful habits and sinful abuses are curable by the redemptive grace of God (once an alcoholic is not always an alcoholic for "where sin did abound, grace did much more abound" Rom. 5:20). The Bible proclaims in Romans 8:12 that all who have died with Christ are no longer debtors to the flesh (i.e. by God's grace Christians who have turned from the abuse of alcoholic beverages do not have to answer the door, when the temptation to become drunk comes knocking at the door). Furthermore, the one who was once a drunkard is no longer viewed as a drunkard after he has been washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of God (1 Cor. 6:9-11). Are the rest of the sinful abuses mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 incurable diseases? God forbid! The gospel is the power of God unto salvation to all who believe (Rom. 1:16). Thus, one is not necessarily helping the "alcoholic" by abstaining from all drinking any more than one would be helping the glutton by abstaining from all eating.
(d) If it is true that all Christians should abstain from all alcoholic beverages for the sake of the "constitutional alcoholic", then Jesus was not wise in using wine in the presence of many "constitutional alcoholics" or potential "constitutional alcoholics" (Lk. 7:33-35) and even creating it to be used in a wedding feast where the possibility for drunkenness was certainly present (Jn 2:1-12).
(e) Researcher, John Langone, has noted:
Heredity, errors in the body's chemistry that prevent the alcoholic from using alcohol properly, brain defects, allergy, vitamin deficiency, glandular problems, a defective "thermostat" that causes an uncontrollable thirst for alcohol all have been examined by researchers. But thus far, none has been shown to be specifically responsible for alcoholism. There is no physical examination or blood test that can yet be performed to determine why a person has become an alcoholic, or whether he or she will become one; and no one has isolated a specific gene, that unit of heredity, for alcoholism (cited in The Christian And Alcoholic Beverages by Kenneth L. Gentry, p.100).
(f) Morris Chafetz, M.D., a reputable authority on the subject of alcoholism and member of the National Institute on Alcohol and Alcohol Abuse (NIAAA) has remarked, "Some say that only a hairline separates the social or moderate drinker from the alcoholic. Don't you believe it-a grand canyon separates them (cited in The Christian And Alcoholic Beverages by Kenneth L. Gentry, p.101)
(g) The abuse of alcoholic beverages is not a problem with genetics, it is a problem with sin. The answer is Christ.
c. Again the abstentionist argues, "All Christians should abstain from the alcoholic beverage because it is a drug that is harmful to one's health."
(1) A response to the argument that alcoholic beverages are harmful to one's health.
(a) The Scripture does not teach that wine is unhealthy. To the contrary it teaches that the lawful use of wine is good for one's health (1 Tim. 5:23). God would not have commended the lawful use of wine throughout Scripture, if it was destructive to one's health ("Let God be true, but every man a liar" Rom. 3:4) .
(b) Divine Wisdom invites the foolish to drink of her wine (Prov. 9:5).
(c) It is possible to be allergic to alcoholic beverages (just as some people are allergic to milk, eggs, sugar, etc). In such cases, one should abstain from the social and private use of alcoholic beverages, but it is no more necessary to encourage all Christians (even those who are not allergic) to refrain from their use than there is to encourage all Christians to abstain from the use of milk, eggs, or sugar simply because some may be allergic to these products.
(d) Dr. Morris E. Chafetz, a physician that works with the NIAAA corrects this mistaken notion by indicating:
Between effects of heavy or excessive alcohol intake and moderate drinking there is a great distinction. Excessive consumption increases mortality and produces various types of damage . . . . However, there is no evidence of damaging effects even from the steady intake of moderate amounts and, indeed, mortality statistics reviewed elsewhere in this Report suggest a possible beneficial effect. . . . In view of the statistical indications that moderate drinkers live longer than abstainers, it seems possible that the beneficial effect of moderate drinking may apply especially to old age (Cited in The Christian And Alcoholic Beverages by Kenneth L. Gentry, p.104).
(e) Raymond McCarthy, editor of Drinking and Intoxication, has confirmed the statements of Paul in 1 Timothy 5:23:
In moderate amounts alcohol stimulates the flow of gastric juices and promotes motility. . . . There is no evidence that alcohol ever causes gastric ulcers, doctors forbid their ulcer patients to drink because of the increased gastric flow. Moderate amounts ofalcohol do not interfere with digestion; they may even promote it (Cited in The Christian And Alcoholic Beverages by Kenneth L. Gentry, p.105).
d. Furthermore, the abstentionist declares, "All Christians should abstain from the use of alcoholic beverages because they are so abused within our culture."
(1) A response to the cultural argument for abstaining from alcoholic beverages.
(a) That is not all that is abused by this culture.
(b) What about ******, money, food, clothing, academics, authority, etc.
(c) The unlawful abuse of a thing does not argue against the lawful use of it, otherwise all Christians would be compelled to abstain from the lawful use of ******, money, food, clothing, academics, and authority (all these items are certainly abused today).
(d) Christ commissioned the church to disciple all nations (in all cultures) baptizing them into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you (Mt. 28:19-20). The answer is not to abstain from that which God declares to be lawful, but rather the answer is to teach the proper use of that which is lawful.
3. Therefore, I submit to you that the Abstinence Positon finds no warrant in Scripture, but to the contrary, the Scripture teaches the moderate use of alcoholic beverages.
V. The Five Scenarios Revisited
A. What should you think, say or do if you were to see a member of your congregation sipping wine at a local restaurant? You should greet him as a brother in Christ and understand that he is violating no command of God, but rather is enjoying the liberty which Christ has purchased for him.
B. What should you think, say or do if you happen to see an elder in your church buying a six-pack of beer? You should greet him respectfully as an ordained officer within the church of Jesus Christ and understand that he has broken no statute of God, but rather is enjoying the liberty of conscience which Christ has purchased for him. Furthermore, he is taking the beer home to enjoy in the privacy of his home, rather than flaunting his liberty in public.
C. If you are the church member who is approached in the restaurant while sipping wine, and you are told that your actions have offended a brother, it is your responsibility to seek to remove the offense in a gracious, non-defensive manner. First, let the brother know that you appreciate his coming to you immediately, rather than allowing the incident to boil within him or using the incident as a juicy piece of gossip. Second, seek to present the biblical position of moderation, demonstrating that neither the prohibitionist position nor the abstentionist position can be defended biblically. Third, let him know that you would never wittingly offend a brother and that you don't believe a sin was committed on your part. Fourth, if you are unsuccessful in removing the offense after several attempts, bring an elder to help resolve the issue.
D. Wine should be used in the Lord's Supper because it was the element Christ used in instituting the sacrament (cf. the discussion under the New Testament use of wine). We have no more authority to substitute grape juice for the wine than to substitute potato chips for the bread, or to substitute clear baby oil for water in baptism. Elders should be careful not to suddenly spring issues like this on potential members. Knowing in advance that many churches today use grape juice in the Lord's Supper rather than wine, elders should raise the topic with prospective members for their consideration and instruction as soon as possible. Most obstacles to using wine in the Lord's Supper can be overcome with potential members by giving the biblical warrant in a patient and gracious spirit. Do not set the precedent of giving grape juice to some and wine to others. Not only is it unbiblical, but it also gives members the idea that the worship of God is a matter of preference rather than a matter of God's command.
E. The new convert (that has recently become a member of the church) should be advised that to make a vow that would prohibit him from coming to the Lord's Supper is an unlawful vow (e.g. the church uses wine and he vowed never to use wine). He should be gently instructed to repent of having made a rash vow (although it was a sincere vow). God does not require him to keep a vow that would bring him into direct disobedience to another command of God. Vows to God can only bind one to fulfill what the Lord declares to be His revealed will. Since the use of wine is not sinful and since it is God's revealed will that the new convert receive the Lord's Supper (with wine), he must at least make allowance for using wine in the Lord's Supper by rescinding his vow through repentance and forgiveness even if he chooses to abstain from alcoholic beverages in every other situation. God does not require the use of alcoholic beverages in social or private settings, but He does require it in the Lord's Supper.
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Bibliography
Gentry, Kenneth L. The Christian And Alcoholic Beverages, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1986.
Playfair, William L. The Useful Lie, Crossway Books, Wheaton, Illinois, 1991 (this book exposes the lies of the Recovery Movement and the Twelve Step Program).
Williamson, G.I. Wine In The Bible & The Church, Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company, Phillipsburg, New Jersey, 1976.
Sunday, February 7, 2010
Probably the Best article on Alcohol and the Bible
Saturday, February 6, 2010
The Proper Training of Children
Here is a lengthy Q&A about the proper training of children... MB
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Dear Michael,
We have trouble holding our child's attention for very long. I know that you stated that children ought to be well behaved and that in earlier generations children were trained to sit through long (sometimes 3-6 hour!) sermons without wiggling or acting up. I need help.
Thank you.
Thank you for your question. It is interesting that I was talking to my wife Danielle about this today. I am afraid this answer is going to be long and in-depth, since it involves many things I have been needing to say. Now there are numerous problems with the current state of child-rearing and child training that cause behaviors like a short attention span and other such rebellions (yes, this is rebellion). I could write a book on the subject, and it is much too broad to be covered here. But, first we have to acknowledge, like you have, that we need help. That what we have learned from our parents and from our own childhood is not good enough. We have to confess that we don't know how to raise our children properly, and that we need God's wisdom to help us. There are too many people, even those among the Agrarian remnant people, who have read a good book or two on the subject (like To Train Up A Child), and then they go on to train their children up like self-centered monkeys. There are reasons that Christians in earlier generations had well-behaved children. I will name a few:
1. It was not automatically assumed that children would live very long. Not many children lived to become adults and parents themselves, so there was not the idolatry that exists today towards children today. Children were not held all the time and coddled all day every day. They were not immediately satisfied or satiated when they cried. They were not the center of their parents world. The parents realized that children were a gift, but they just might not make it to adulthood – therefore their souls and their salvation were of a far higher value than their immediate, carnal, happiness. Today, since it is assumed that children will outlive the parents, parents do not put the proper value on their children's salvation. They hate their children by assuming that they will work out their salvation when they are older.
2. So they believe that childhood is a time of “play” and that, when they get older, they can learn the things they need to learn to be pious and right-minded. Play becomes the child's idol, and the parents release. The parent doesn't want to train the child, so they tell them to “go play”. Part of the house and yard becomes a playground, and all the child can think of all day long is playing. Their first thought when they wake up, and their last thought when they lay down is playing and “having fun”. This is a real anomaly, because this philosophy did not exist until Western Amerikanism codified it before WWII. Industrialism enslaved the parents to the myth of “time saving” devices, and leisure as a pursuit. The parents then had to both work out of the home in order to pay the bills for the industrial life. The child was sent to public school, or day care, or some other type of care – and they spent a good portion of the day in play. Play became the center of the life of children, from toddler age and up. Even today, when those who claim to be right-minded raise children, they have this remnant in them of how much “fun” they had when they were young, and they cannot get their minds right. So they turn their children loose for most or for a good part of the day, because they don't want to be mean and strict to their children. They want them to have fun. The child, then, becomes an idolater – and it is all the fault of the parent.
3. In older generations, the child was a productive member of the family. From a very young age the child had duties. Play was not the center of the world. “Play time” was a very limited time (not even every day) of repose, relaxation, reading, games, and exercise. Some of the most successful families only had play time a few times a week, during or after religious exercises and duties. Usually, for working Agrarian families, the time right before dark was the time for play. The rest of the day was spent in work, chores, reading, and study. All work and no play did NOT make for a dull boy. It made for an intelligent, engaged, well-spoken, attentive, obedient, and loving boy. And play is not a time for children to behave like animals. We do not let our children scream and argue and shout, just because they are “playing”. That is nonsense. Children ought to know that there are limits and restrictions to their behavior, even when they are loosened from the responsibilities of work. The reason that worldly children fight, argue, and compete and bicker is because they are taught that these things are acceptable in “play”. Children need parameters and rules. They thrive under them. They must be consistently applied. Play is not a time to turn children over to their carnal instincts and proclivities. Play is a time for the child to use his/her imagination, in a peaceful and quiet way, to explore reality, and to engage themselves and others in productive fun. If a child would not be permitted to do or say something in “real life”, then they should not be permitted to do or say it during play.
Now, these patterns – of promoting play as both an attention magnet for the child, and a stress reliever for the parent – are implanted when the child is a very small baby. The parent grows to hate the protestations of the child, so they dangle things in front of the child, or give them a rattle, or crank up a wind up “mobile” in order to distract the child. They are taught by child psychologists that this actually grows the child's brain. In fact, these things, when they are done repetitively and all day long, become a drug to the child. The child is not taught to sit quietly without some flashing light, moving object, or bright color, to distract them. They become drug addicts and idolaters. And it is all the fault of the parent.
Now, I have had parents say to me things like “I don't want to just beat the child all day long”, as if that is necessary or right. It actually is quite infuriating, because they are insinuating that the reason my children are well-behaved and the reason that theirs are not is because I must beat my children all day long. This statement is a cop-out and is an excuse for not properly working to train the child. I do not beat my children all day long. I don't have to, since they behave themselves. A child has to be broken in order to have his will submitted to that of the parent – just as the Christian must have his will broken in order for him to submit to the will of Christ. A child who does not instantly obey his parents without regard to consequences is a poorly trained child, and it is a sign of a parent that is not submitted to Christ. If the bad behavior is confronted, and is overwhelmingly dealt with – the child will be trained in short order. The people who have said these colossally stupid things to me would be shocked to know that I could train their child to behave properly in 1 week. Guaranteed. I probably wouldn't even spank them any more than they are currently being spanked, probably even less. The problem is (and we have experienced this in the past) that I would turn this obedient child back over to his rebellious and idolatrous parents just to have him retrained in bad habits in just a few days.
We had a young couple come and visit us about 10 month ago with their 1 year old young boy. We trained the parents, and the parents did what we told them to do. They kept up the proper discipline when they left here, and when they moved back 8 months later, that was one of the happiest and most well behaved child I ever saw. They have constantly commented (as have others) that their boy is as happy as any they have ever seen. The boy lives here in the community now, and I can tell you that he (he just turned 2) is able to sit for LONG periods of time quietly. He doesn't run around like a monkey screaming all the time. He doesn't insist on play all day. He is polite (says yes ma'am and no sir, thank you, etc.) and is an ornament to his parents.
Your child needs to be taught to be quiet, still, obedient, patient, loving, careful, observant, etc. But they have to be TAUGHT these things, since we know that these things are antithetical to the character and condition of the carnal fallen man. If you are not properly training your children, then you do not love them. You hate them, and you are damning them yourselves. I have enough experience to tell the way a child is going after only a short time with them, because God utilized many experiences in my life, and my reading of scripture, to teach me a better way. In the end, our children will bear witness to our own obedience to our duty. How many parents will own and admit that they blew it, and that they sacrificed their children on the altar of fun, play, idolatry, and covetousness? Some will, but most others will blame someone or something else. If you want specific instructions on how to train a child to sit still and be patient, then email me again and I'll include the answer in the next issue.
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Friday, February 5, 2010
A Q and an A about God's Sovereignty and Disasters
Tuesday, February 2, 2010
Conspiracy Theoristosophy
I am a conspiracy theorist who, strangely enough, cannot usually stand the company of other conspiracy theorists. Really, they're quite nutty, and usually (and this is my big problem) they have no real love of the truth - in that they will believe any theory that takes responsibilty away from them, and they will reject any theory that is true, but hurts.
So why am I a conspiracy theorist? Because I could not possibly accept the alternative. You see the only alternative to being a conspiracy theorist is to be a.... Coincidence Theorist
The Bible does not allow for a world where earth-changing events happen coincidentally. I mean sure, if you take the word "coincidence" and apply it's true and actual definition, then things happen coincidentally all the time. The word "coincidence" literally means "when two or more events happen at the same time". Right now I am writing this, and I am also drinking water - literally a coincidence. So, if we actually spoke good and true English, coincidences happen all the time. However, due to the prevalence of free-will anarchic thinking (predominantly from pseudo-"christians" in the "church") the word "coincidence" has come to mean "when two or more events which are not likely or naturally likely to happen at the same time, DO happen at the same time as if by chance, fate, or by some unknown or unknowable power". So, since I cannot be a Coincidence Theorist, I am stuck with being a Conspiracy Theorist.
I do believe our world has been shaped by grand conspiracies. The Bible teaches it from cover to cover. Some conspiracies were purely good, for example "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" (Gen. 1:26). Here we have a conspiracy within the Godhead, where our triune God conspires to elevate man to a position of power, authority, and dominion over the whole world (insert conspiratorial cackle here). Other conspiracies were purely bad, for example "The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision" (Psa 2:2-4). Here the kings of the earth and all of the rulers conspire to gather together against the Lord and against Jesus Christ and His anointed in order to break the bands of God's rightful authority and to live out from under the rule of God's commandments. Of course, again, we here the conspiratorial cackle as God directs derision at these plans.
Some conspiracies are mixed. God (who is perfectly and eternally good) empowers and permits Pharaoh (who is wicked) to come to power, to hold Israel in bondage and to treat them contemptuously, and to do so for many hundreds of years. Why? So that God would get honor on Pharaoh: "And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so" (Ex. 14:4). Then God conspired to make things hard on the Israelites because of their murmuring, so that they would turn against Him, and that all but a few would perish in the desert having not received the promises. Then God conspired to bring the offspring of Israel into the promised land to make war with the people of Canaan and to utterly destroy them. God conspired with the enemies of Israel and Judah, time after time, to bring them with a sword to chastise and rebuke His people.
It gets more interesting.
God allowed Satan to conspire with Judas and with the Pharisees to betray and kill the Lord of Glory; and all of this was part of God's plan. Would anybody dare contend that Jesus wasn't killed by a conspiracy? Do coincidence theorists really deny the conspiracy to kill Jesus Christ? Would they deny that the Jews conspired together, brought forth false witnesses, broke their own laws and ordinances, and paid money to Judas Iscariot to betray Christ? When someone says "I don't believe in conspiracies" what they are saying is "I don't believe the Bible, because I believe everything happens coincidentally".
Oh, I am a conspiracy theorist. I don't deny it. Our world is shaped by conspiracy. I even wrote a book about the Jesuit order of the Roman Catholic Church and their conspiracy to overthrow, twist, and catholicize Protestant doctrine. I believe that the current economic meltdown goes back many centuries (even further than that) to the machinations of wicked men who desired world power and domination. I don't believe that it was just a coincidence that George Bush, Sr. talked about a New World Order, nor do I believe it is coincidental that modern socialist/liberal spokesmen and conservo-fasicst commentators refuse to talk about it. I believe that the conspiratorial intent today is to crash the world economy in order to bring about chaos and fear. I believe it is very likely that a huge world war will soon be fought between the Communists (communism started by the Jews) with the Muslims on their side (Islam started by Jews and Catholics) and the fascists and capitalists (fascism started by the Catholic Church via Hitler and Mussolini) on the other. I am not promising it will happen, but I believe it will. And I believe all of this is designed to redraw the world map after the order of Medieval Europe (with dozens or hundreds of vassal monarchies) all controlled by the temporal power of the Pope of Rome.
Hey, I even believe that the whole two-party system in Amerika is a conspiracy to keep people dumb and addicted to comfort, and to steal power and authority from the people. I think the "vote but do not do" mentality in Amerika is a conspiracy of dunces to stop men from separating from the world.
So, I think I am a qualified conspiracy theorist.
But I tell you that I cannot stand the modern conspiracy movement. Not one bit. To some people, that makes me part of the conspiracy.
You see, modern conspiracy adherents have no love for the truth. They refuse to recognize their own responsibility. They don't want to DO anything, they just want to talk and fret. They want to get people in a tizzy, and get them to spend money, but they don't dare give them any advice or counsel that doesn't make people dependent on whomever the conpiratorialist is. They will mobilize (such as in the patriot/militia movement) but only if mobilization means the sharing of any ramifications of that mobilization. In other words, they love this world the way it is. They rhapsodize eloquently about their love of "the old days" and "the old ways", but they will not do anything to actually improve the lives and lot of their families or their progeny, or anyone that listens to them. They generally refuse to identify what it is that turned things bad in the first place, and they, for the most part, just want the freedom to do whatever they want to do without any responsibility (xtian anarchy). I have long been astounded at the scope and the grandeur of the conspiracies they imagine or that they teach - all without any actual proof at all. I mean, I think these globalist conspiracies and the people who engage in them are bad enough, but do they really need to be reptillian half/people who drink blood and eat flesh? I mean aren't George Bush and the Clintons wicked enough without having them shape-shift and rape babies? (Please do not email me and ask me to read a book of stories written by "people in the know" who have seen Hillary Clinton eat a baby, or Barbara Bush turn into a reptile)
Here is the problem. The conspiracy/militia/patriot movement is completely overrun with agitprops and agents provocateur, liars and propaganda mouthpieces. Their job is to take a whole lot of truth, mix in a dollop or a truckload of untruth, stir it into a frenzy shake, and pour it down the throats and into the ears of a bunch of fat, dumb, lazy victims who will believe anything they hear without any sane or logical examination of the facts. And let me tell you, there are great profits to be made in conspiracy. I had everyone and their dog trying to co-opt and con me into their conspiracy camp... and the promise of endless amounts of dollars came with it. The loudest and most idiotic conspiracy theorists are generally in it for the loot.
Take the Jesuit short-robe and government agitprop Alex Jones... please. There's too much information out there exposing Alex Jones for me to go into it in this blog, and I've written about it plenty. But I still get inundated with emails from people pushing Alex and his junk. Why? Because it is easier to curse the darkness than to light a match. It is easier to blame Roosevelt or the Creature from Jekyll Island than it is to separate from this modern industrial toilet and go to work producing food and a society and culture for our children. Alex Jones gets paid when you do nothing but buy his junk. He doesn't dare tell you to move out of the cities and live off the land. He doesn't dare tell you anything that will help your family and your people in the long term. People like Alex Jones, or even Ron Paul have a vision for Amerika. They have a vision where we all zoom back to 1959 where we can all own guns and come home to a wife who wears high heels to cook supper. Their ideal world is the HEIGHT of industrial success. Their world is the epitome of Amerikan industrial might and power, where every man can have a 1/4 acre of heaven with a white picket fence. Sounds great, unless you realize that this is what poisoned our people in the first place. Sounds great, unless you realize that this fake world of success in advertising was built on the smoking ruins of our Agrarian heritage.
Oh, and by the way, they will be glad to sell you some program or plan that will guarantee you that you can live in wicked Amerika with all it's industrial largesse... you can use the roads and highways, the bridges and stores, etc., and all without a social security number! Just send $400 to Alex or some other agitprop goon and he will teach you how you can have it all without planting a single potato! Viva-Industrialism!
I could go on and on... but I won't.
So, write me down as a conspiracy theorist who generally cannot stand conspiracy theorists.
And that's my rant for today,
Michael Bunker
Friday, January 29, 2010
What to do with debt? And what is "undebt"?
This is a long question and answer (1 Q and 1 A) from over a year ago on getting out of debt. What is real debt and what is "undebt"? ___________________________________________________________________ Just one really long Q today. More later... Michael, One of the things we are running into as we have been talking with an challenging some friends recently is the state of financial affairs. Thank you for your questions. First of all, let me say that I am not giving anyone any financial advice. I am being asked my opinion, and so what follows is what I think about it. It is not necessarily the opinion of anyone else associated with me, or of the elders or authorities in our fellowship. It is my opinion based on how I see it. This is a very interesting and complicated set of issues, and I have chosen to answer it in this forum because I agree that many, many people are suffering under the same type of scenario and frankly there isn't much good information out there. First of all, some comments on “debt”. When desiring to come to a right view on anything, it is critical that we examine what words really mean and their historical context before we just “sign off” on the status quo. We know that the way the world operates is contrary to the Word of God, and we know that the world has had centuries to redefine words, and to train minds and hearts to automatically obey and follow the god of this world. Debt: Something contracted for. An obligation. Obligation: 1. The binding power of a vow, promise, oath or contract, or of law, civil, political or moral, independent of a promise; that which constitutes legal or moral duty, and which renders a person liable to coercion and punishment for neglecting it. Any act by which a person becomes bound to do something to or for another, or to forbear something. In law, a bond with a condition annexed and a penalty for non-fulfillment. Ok, this answer could literally fill several books, so it is important that I try to stick as close to the issue as possible. However, I do want to note that there are dozens of issues that would need to be very explicitly explained in order to give someone a good idea of how the kingdom of mammon has twisted the concept of debt and has emphasized unbiblical usury in the lives of men. I have often said that debt is slavery, and illegitimate debt is brutal, forced, unbiblical slavery. Now, according to our definitions here from Webster's 1828 dictionary, debt is an obligation that contractually obligates us to fulfill our part of the contract (provided it is both legal and moral), and renders us subject to a condition (which can include coercion or punishment) if we do not fulfill the contract. The condition (coercion and/or punishment) is part of the contract and is legally able to be used by either party. Just because there is a contract, and two people agree to do something, does not make the debt legitimate. The action or transaction must be both legal and moral (meaning that for a Christian, it must be submitted to the higher law of God as it is defined in the scripture) for it to be a legitimate debt. For example, if you and an associate contracted (verbally or otherwise) for you to buy cocaine from the associate in order for you to use it and/or sell it – then the debt is illegitimate and non-binding. Your friend may see it otherwise and may attach “coercion or punishment” to your non-payment (for example, he may threaten to kill you if you do not pay him), but his threats and or actions are not legitimized by the contract. To draw out the example, if you were in debt $50,000 to a drug dealer, would you be legally or morally obligated to pay him? Of course not. You may want to pay if you do not want to die (the imposition of the coercion and/or punishment part contract by the other party may be illegal, but that doesn't mean you won't die if he shoots you), which means that by non-payment you are accepting the “coercion and/or punishment” phase of the contract, though it would be perfectly lawful for you to take all necessary means to prevent the illegal imposition of an illegal and immoral contract by a lawless person. In fact, I would say that in my opinion that it would be illegal and also immoral to pay the drug dealer, knowing that he will use the proceeds from the transaction to trap and enslave more victims. Extracting this out even further, if Christ set you free from cocaine addiction, what do you feel would be your moral and biblical obligation to a drug dealer? Would you put yourself and your family further into debt and perhaps put your family and the future of your children at risk in order to pay off a drug dealer, knowing that he will use your payment to enslave other people's children and other victims? Now, I'll throw in another twist. What if the drug dealer had no power or ability to do you any harm? In fact, what if the drug dealer told you (as part of the verbal contract) when you got the drugs that IF you refuse to pay, his only power of “coercion and punishment” would be to bad-mouth you to other drug dealers. In effect, if you choose to utilize your contractual (legal and moral) right and obligation not to pay him, he would get together with all the other drug dealers and they would agree together not to sell you any more drugs! In fact, contractually you were free to not pay him so long as you were willing to be barred from illegally buying drugs from any drug dealer for a period of time. I say all that to make the point that every debt agreement into which people have entered is not automatically legitimate and/or biblical. Now, some of the debt agreements mentioned in the question have been deemed “legal” by the current governmental authorities, and therefore the “coercion and/or punishment” elements of those contracts are enforceable by law. Every legitimate contract has the full penalty for non-fulfillment explained in the contract. For example, in the case of the purchase of a home or a vehicle, the contract generally stipulates that IF you exercise your contractual right not to pay for the vehicle or home any more, then they have the contractual right to retain ownership and possession of the home or vehicle. That part of the contract is legitimate, and it is utilized to mitigate the risk the creditor has in the transaction. All of this presupposes, of course, that the party making the loan is not engaged in an illegal, immoral, or unbiblical enterprise. For example, if you bought the car from someone who stole it, then all bets are off, even if you keep up your end of the bargain. If the person making a loan to you stole the money he loans you, then the contract between you is null and void. Keep that in mind as you read on. Any contract which is based on illegal, immoral, unbiblical, or un-constitutional activity is an illegitimate contract. It is void. If someone stipulates in the contract that they are allowed to take (or foreclose) on the home or vehicle, then they are right, and you would be obligated to let them do so. In this case, the contract would be fulfilled, and there would and should be no other “coercion or punishment” for unfulfillment. However, in most of these contracts, the party making the loan stipulates further that they are allowed to take the item and sell it (usually at a loss) and then come to you for the difference between the amount they sold the item for, and the actual agreed upon amount in the original contract. In effect, this theoretically guarantees the party making the loan no risk. The portion of the contract guaranteeing the further payments after the house or vehicle has been taken back is unenforceable, and is nothing more than an illegitimate threat. In effect they are saying that the rest of the amount they say you owe is “unsecured debt”, meaning that there is no further “coercion or punishment” other than the damaging of your credit if you choose to exercise your contractual option not to pay. They are saying “If you don't give us even more money, we will get together with other banks and loan entities to make sure you don't get into any more debt. Their part of that portion of the contract is “if you don't pay us, we'll ruin your credit”. Your part of that portion of the contract is “if I choose not to pay you, I agree to have you ruin my credit”. In this case, both sides are free to exercise their legitimate options, and once they are exercised, the agreement is completed. Think of it this way... If you ask me for $25 and I say, I'll let you borrow it, but if you don't pay me back I will beat you up $25 worth. You then have a choice that you are being offered. You can pay me back the $25 OR you can let me beat you up $25 worth. That is the contract. You have a legitimate choice within the confines of the contract not to pay. Ok, so if a person is in debt for a car or house loan, and they find that they are now unable to pay, they are legitimately and contractually permitted to let the asset go back to the bank or lending entity as part of the “coercion and punishment” portion of the contract. If the entity further threatens to harm the borrowers credit for non-payment, the borrower is legally permitted to exercise that option to fulfill the contract. In some states or principalities, the lender has further options under his “coercion and/or punishment” authority. He may sue in court to obtain further redress. He may seize or encumber other assets. In the past, a lender was permitted to have the borrower thrown in prison for a certain period of time, or until the debt is paid. All of these are legitimate (even if not moral or biblical) elements of a contract. They each provide the lender redress for his/her loss, and the borrower a legitimate “out” if they are unable or unwilling to pay. It is not unbiblical, immoral, or unethical for a borrower to exercise every contractual element provided for him. If the lender is not permitted to encumber other assets, or to have the borrower jailed, then that is because the state has considered those “coercion and/or punishment” outlets to be immoral or unethical. Now, none of this really comments on the unbiblical and immoral basis for many of these agreements. Nor does it address the fact that Biblical law commands that all such debts be forgiven every seven years (Duet. 15:1-2). The Bible recognizes that we often enter into such agreements sinfully, ignorantly, and through immoral coercion. We are obliged to repent when we have made such grave errors (especially since they are usually due to covetousness and greed), and that we ought to be diligent to extricate ourselves from them. We ought to use legitimate and moral means to do so. For example, if you are in debt to a thief, you should repent and attempt to extricate yourself from that debt by whatever moral means available. In my opinion, I would endeavor to get out of this type of debt (note I have not addressed other forms of debt yet – like credit card debt). First, I would recognize that the banks and lending institutions are criminal organizations, as we have seen recently when they went to an illegitimate government to steal (by force of arms) the money they need from the people. So, if you do not pay them, they want to use the force of government to compel you to pay. If they engage in bad business and are likely to go bankrupt, they: a. Seek legal counsel to avoid payment of their own debts through bankruptcy, or b. They threaten government with bankruptcy, seeking government “loans” or bailouts to secure their entitlement to continue forcing others to pay their illegitimate debts. Note also that if these banks are unable to pay their own debts, they will file for “bankruptcy” which basically guarantees them the right to not pay their own debts. Every one of these corporations recognizes that non-payment is a legitimate and legal option, and they exercise their right to protect themselves via non-payment if they have to. Short of that, they have asked the government to steal the money from you in order to pay their debts. I see these organizations as criminal enterprises at war with the Kingdom of God. Now, in my case, I have on previous occasions – when I realized the nature of these agreements – contacted the creditor and told them I would be returning the item that I had agreed to purchase with their ill-gotten mammon. If I had a truck that I could not afford or that required payments for me to keep, I would give the truck back. After doing so, the creditor would threaten to enforce his rights in the contract to get me to pay the difference between what I “owed” on the vehicle, and what the price for which the creditor chose to sell the vehicle. The contract allowed me to exercise my right to have the creditor report me to credit agencies if I did not pay the difference, and to allow him to do so if I was unable or unwilling to pay. We both exercised our rights in the contract, and the matter was over (not, of course, to the creditors satisfaction, because they are illegal, immoral, and unbiblical institutions) according to the law. The creditor had no further recourse in law. Remember, these contracts stipulate the full rights and obligations. If there is a “coercion and punishment” (recourse) section to the contract, then that recourse section stipulates YOUR rights as well as the rights of the creditor. You are always free to exercise your right to suffer penalty, punishment, or recourse as a fulfillment of the contract. Now, for most people, the total amount they think they owe is actually far, far lower than the amount they really owe. I believe every Christian ought to pay any legitimate, biblical, and moral debt that they owe (as John Gill says, “so far as they are able”) which means that every true contract (either verbal or written) ought to have a stipulation providing for Biblical means of redress if the debtor becomes poor and unable to fulfill his end of the contract. God's contract with man stipulated that God knew that man was poor and unable to fulfill his end of the contract, therefore there was “recourse” for a representative or substitute to come and stand in man's place to keep his end of the contract. The contract required absolute and total obedience to both the letter and the spirit of God's law, and the contract was between God and the representative for His elect people. Knowing that the natural man could not fulfill the contract, God (a wise, benevolent, and gracious creditor) provided for a substitute to perfectly fulfill the elect's end of the contract. This is our model of a just, biblical, and moral contract. God requires that creditors be merciful and to show grace to the poor, and His law requires creditors to discharge debt after a specific period of time in order to free man from debt slavery if he is unable to free himself. God has, therefore, provided for ways for us to escape debt slavery if we are just wise as serpents and harmless as doves. The next part: UnDebt Most people (and many Christians) today are enslaved by what I call “undebt”. This is what the world refers to as “Credit Card” (or unsecured) debt, which is not debt at all. It is not debt, because it does not fulfill the qualifications or definition of true debt. First of all, Credit Card companies are criminal organizations that do not lend real “money” at all. They are permitted by unlawful and unbiblical means to create or print money in an un-constitutional way, and to use this scrip to enslave people. When the CC company gives you a credit card, they are not giving you any lawful money at all. By way of a Ponzi scheme, they are promising businesses who agree to participate in their unlawful, unbiblical, and unconstitutional scam that they will “pay” them with mammon received from future transactions. When you receive a Credit Card, the CC company promises to print or create a certain amount of money to pay those who choose to give you products in exchange for the promise to pay from the CC Company. The CC company tells you (in your contract) that you need to pay them a certain amount of government money on a certain schedule, and in exchange for you doing so, they will give you the right to keep purchasing items or services. There is no “coercion or punishment” section, which means there is no real recourse on the part of the CC except that they promise that if you exercise your right to not pay them government money, they will get together with other creditors to stop you from using their services in the future (they will damage your credit). That's it, that is the complete contract. You have a right to pay them money (and therefore participate in their unbiblical and criminal enterprise), or you have a right NOT to pay them. The state (at least my state of Texas) does not allow them any other recourse if you do not pay them, except that they are allowed to stop giving you credit, and they are allowed to advise other creditors not to give you credit. This means that you are freely permitted to extricate yourself from the contract without paying, so long as you are willing to have your options for future credit removed. So, in this example, the CC gives me a debt card which allows me to go receive items or services from other participants in the scam, and promises to pay those participants with the proceeds if enough slave victims are willing to give them lawful money for the fake scrip they originally issued. So I go buy a lamp from a store and the lamp “costs” $20. I go take the fake scrip card to the store, and they agree with the CC company to give me the lamp with a promise from the CC company that the CC company will send them real money taken from “payments” made from other recipients of CC cards. In this case, both the original builder and the retailer have been legitimately, morally, and legally “paid” according to their contracts with one another and the CC company. Each has validly fulfilled their end of the contract, regardless of how un-constitutional or unbiblical these contracts are. So, the builder or creator of the item and the store have been paid. The only entity that has not been paid (If I refuse to pay) is the CC Company, who has contractually agreed with me to let me not pay in exchange for harming my reputation with other lenders or creditors. As I said, this is just a Ponzi scheme, because the CC Company had no real “money” in the first place. They are permitted (because they are banks and fall under banking regulations and laws) to “lend” up to 10 times more money than they have in assets or accounts. This is called “fractional reserve banking”. Further, since the CC Companies are generally banks, they are permitted to count “payments” as “deposits”. So, in effect, if I make a $10 payment on a lamp, they are permitted to issue another Credit Card to someone else with $100 in credit as a limit, and they use as the “reserve” or guarantee of that $100 the $10 payment I made to them. In effect, they are permitted to create or print money. Now, the CC company knows that what they do is a scam and a Ponzi scheme. They know they are paying off investors with money given to them by later investors, which is the definition of a Ponzi scheme. They also know and agree that a certain percentage of their customers will not pay them. They not only accept this risk and pursue it, but it is added into their ways of doing business. Their “interest rate” is a product of their calculations of how much money they need to be bringing in to pay off previous investors, and how much “bad debt” they have written off as a risk of doing business. They are, then, gamblers. They purposely and with foresight send out Credit Cards to children, students, and those with no means to pay them off, knowing that a certain percentage of them will pay them off for at least 6 months. So, they will allow someone to go into debt for $500 knowing that that person will likely not be able to pay them back, and, as a part of their business plan, they hope that the person will pay them for at least 6 months (making minimum payments). They have figured out that if these people will pay for at least 6 months, they will have created enough new money to continue to pay their bills and their employees, and their actual “loss” will have been negated. If they can threaten and harass a certain percentage of non-payers into paying them even a minimum amount over what they expected from the beginning, then that amount will be considered profit and will allow them to create even more debt. Whew... ok, so that is how Credit Cards are a criminal enterprise. These are your cocaine dealers. They sell a drug called “the image of prosperity” and they bank on covetousness, greed, and a love of the world. These people are at war with God, and they are in the business of unbiblically enslaving man. Credit Card debt is NOT legitimate debt, and, once I have come to understand the truth of their operation, and once I have repented of participating in it, and once I am sorrowful for my actions, I am not legally or biblically required to participate any more. I do not have to pay. (By the way, I do not have a credit card, nor would I want one). I am legally allowed to exercise my right to suffer their “coercion and punishment” by allowing them to ruin my credit. Their threat is actually the best thing that can happen to me. They come and say, “If you will not pay, we will agree with the rest of our criminal cabal to not let you get into any more debt!”. And I say, “Great! I agree and submit to that punishment! Thank you!”. I am not saying anyone should purposely go into CC debt in order to steal or profit from the system. I do understand that some people do this as an act of war against the system, and that is between themselves, their consciences, and their God. I have not done this, and do not do this. I am speaking about a situation where someone who, due to sin and ignorance, has gotten themselves into UnDebt and now legitimately wants to get out of it. In my case, if I were in the situation laid out in the question, I would immediately take all of the “money” I had been using to pay off CC debt (if there is any) and I would use it to pay off any legitimate debt (personal debt first). This person ought to decide what they want/need to keep, and what they can do without. Getting into a cheaper truck is not enough IF there is still a payment on the truck. None of us should be in debt for a vehicle when there are good, cheap, debt-free ways to travel. They ought to seriously consider whether they need to keep their land and home. If they are in upside down, and they can make a go of it elsewhere with a few less acres and with little or no debt, then they should give the house and land back to the bank, salute, and say goodbye to it. They ought to sell EVERYTHING that is not mission critical and they ought to start pre-paying or double-paying payments on any debt they intend to or are obliged to pay off. Ok, this has gone long, and I have much more I can say on the subject. Again, I am not advising anyone financially, and I am not advising anyone not to pay legitimate, biblical, and moral debt. Nor am I requiring that anyone agree with me, because I know many people do not. I believe God has provided a way for His people to be free, and I would like to see more people utilizing that way. Now, like I said, I have more to say on the subject, and I have helped dozens of people get out of “debt” and to free themselves from the burden of debt. I hope that this opinion helps someone out there. I am your servant in Christ Jesus, Michael Bunker
Common scenario. Many were raised in liberal stuff oriented homes. They will freely admit this. Some are seeking to get out of the bondage they are in. One of our neighbors recently pulled their daughter out of public school. They are now home schooling them. The father then sold his 2005 pickup as he had 20K in debt on it and downgraded to a 96 pickup to help reduce his debt. But in spite of this they still probably have a good $150K in debt. This includes their mortgage on their 50 acres and home as well as ancillary debt. Even if they wanted to sell their property, in today's market it would not likely sell at this time. Because of past choices it will take them 12 years if all goes reasonably well for them to get out of debt, if both of them work. They are both getting close to 40. That puts them at the earliest close to 50. Their two kids will now be young adults.
I have been greatly challenged by your writings on separation from the world. I have been trying to understand how this can be implemented particularly in the lives of people who because of past choices are wrapped in financial bondage. I have not been able to think of many solutions. But at the same time waiting 12 years minimum, working one's life away while the kids grow up doesn't seem like a great idea. The dilemma? What would you say to someone in this scenario? They have definitely made some constructive changes, but at the same time they feel somewhat trapped and can't see what else they could do?
Any thoughts or considerations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
